PSV director Marcel Brands: ‘Investing 50 million euros is no guarantee of the title’

Marcel Brands prefers to watch PSV matches standing up. Not out of solidarity with fans in the stands, or because he has no sitting meat. His preference has a practical reason: if you stand, Brands discovered over the years, people are less likely to talk to you. An important insight if, like him, you want to see every second of the game concentrated.

But standing, that is no longer possible. In his previous positions, when he was in charge of technical policy, he was not paid much attention to. Could he retreat quietly after a defeat to deal with his disappointment. Brands is now general manager, the club’s flagship. Last Sunday against Ajax (3-0), Eindhoven mayor Jeroen Dijsselbloem sat next to him in the grandstand. “When he took office, I asked him: please don’t talk to me all the time,” says Brands with an apologetic smile. “That’s good, he said, because that’s how he prefers to watch matches.”

It shows the passion of the man who, if you count his career as a player, has been walking around in professional football for half a lifetime (43 years). In a world where a disappointing season can shatter a reputation, his managerial career has been remarkably even. Always one step higher. From RKC to AZ to PSV and, in 2018, to Everton in the Premier League. “The football Valhalla”, Brands still thinks.

Brands (61) has a nose for talent, is financially sound, negotiates sharply and is known to be extremely competitive. Yet things did not go as they should at Everton – officially owned by the British-Iranian businessman Farhad Moshiri, although oligarch Alisher Usmanov is according to The Guardian closely involved in the background.

Despite a good relationship with club president Bill Kenwright – ‘Indy’ he called Brands, the chairman thought he resembled Indiana Jones actor Harrison Ford – he resigned as technical director in December 2021 disillusioned. “Different views” on the policy to be pursued was the official statement. Things went badly for the club and the English media judged harshly. After a 4-1 defeat against city rivals Liverpool, Brands even got into a fight with an angry fan.

Brands was 59 when he left. He was devastated. Perhaps the most difficult moment of his career coincided with a worrying situation at home. His son turned out to be seriously ill (he has since recovered). “I had to do nothing for a while,” he says, in his office in the Philips Stadium. “I’ve never had more than ten days’ holiday since I quit football at 35 and joined management. So I took my son to Dubai and we went to Disney with the kids and grandkids.”

But stop? “I’ve never seriously thought about it.”

After that rest period, Brands said yes when he was able to succeed Toon Gerbrands as general manager of PSV last year. Just like in 2010 – when he started working as a technical manager in Eindhoven – he has to make the club financially and sportingly successful again. The first has more or less succeeded, the sporty resurrection has yet to take shape. A first success beckons this Sunday, when PSV plays the cup final against Ajax.

How does working in the Netherlands differ from working in England?

“It is completely different. English culture makes fans and media think that the manager (the coach) is about transfers. And the owner determines a lot. He wanted Rafael Benítez as a coach in 2021, which was not my choice. And Benítez wanted Salomon Rondon, I couldn’t approve that. He was already in his thirties, was not on the scouting list, he was not going to bring Everton anything. Too high salary too. I said I thought it was a bad idea. Think of it as a present for the trainer, said the owner. Then you are powerless.”

But you will be charged for the transfers.

“The problem is: there is no patience. Twelve coaches have already been fired in the Premier League this season. In my second year, Marco Silva was fired, I tried to prevent that, but it was beyond my control. While I knew: he is a good trainer, he is now proving that at Fulham. The owner also determined that there should be an experienced successor, while the chairman and I wanted Mikel Arteta. In the end it was Carlo Ancelotti.”

What happens to employees when you are at the mercy of an owner?

“People are trying to survive. The nasty thing is: many good club people often go along in those rounds of redundancies. Physiotherapists, analysts, you name it. I then had to send people away who were good, hard-working. That’s difficult. And it doesn’t work either. In the first years I still had the idea that I could change something at Everton. But that did not work out.”

Brands cannot go into too much detail “out of respect” for his previous employer. But he tells, without being able to name names, of meetings on expensive yachts and phone calls where the coach was told who to line up. “You can’t imagine that world if you haven’t seen it yourself.”

A special adventure, but you couldn’t actually do your job. Why do you look back with pleasure?

“You also get a lot of appreciation. Because I paid attention to the youth, to the structure, that you look beyond transfers and really try to build something. When I first went to see Young Everton, I got an app from that trainer: how fantastic that you are here, I’ve never experienced that. I also never saw a technical director from other clubs in those kinds of duels. And we lived beautifully, football is great.”

Isn’t it cynical that owners treat it like it’s their toy?

“I think they want the best for the club. But I firmly believe that with good policy you can achieve something. They think: I’m pumping money into it, so it should quickly yield success, right? But in the Premier League everyone has a lot of money. The funny thing is: we get more from commercial activities with PSV than Everton, but they get between 130 and 140 million in TV money (compared to almost 9 million at PSV). That makes it all a bit easier.”

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May last year he started at PSV, in what would immediately become a turbulent first season – in which Brands, just like with Everton, was not always in charge. Technical director John de Jong was killed in September after a breach of trust with the supervisory board. In the winter, attackers Cody Gakpo and Noni Madueke left for a total of about 90 million euros to get the finances in order. PSV ‘sold’ the title, it sounded. Coach Ruud van Nistelrooij was recently critical of the “impact” of these “policy choices”. PSV is now second behind Feyenoord, which has the national title up for grabs.

What did you find at PSV, sportingly and financially?

“Budgets have increased significantly in recent years. Not so much the total budget (turnover: 93 million in 2021-2022), but the player budget. But player depreciation was also significantly higher. Understandable in itself, there was a certain ambition behind it. Only, we did know: this will be an important year in which you have to put your financial affairs in order. The club lost more than 23 million euros (in the 2020-2021 corona year), and its equity took a significant dent. The plan was to get that back up to standard within three years. That is going a little faster now.”

With the sale of Gakpo and Madueke, there is now a considerable war chest. Will there be a lot of investment next summer?

“Media talk about war chest. That’s not how you talk internally. You don’t buy for the sake of buying. Last year you knew: we have to be very, very frugal. That is different now, you can invest.”

What do you have to offer the talented attacker Xavi Simons sportingly, when he asks what the project will be next season?

“In the last conversation I had with him, I said: if you stay, you get a different role, with more responsibility. That’s what you want. You’ve grown faster than we expected. Are you already able to take responsibility? So you dare to look around you beyond your own achievements. That’s what he wants.”

But that’s not a plan of attack, is it?

“No, but okay, you can say: we are going to invest 50 million. That does not mean that you will become a champion. I think in the end it’s about: do we get all the puppets, not just the football puppets, back in a mode where you can become champions.”

How do you do that?

“By convincing everyone to join in: are we prepared to do just that little bit more than our competitors? Of course Ajax has the highest budget. We’re not going to surpass that. But Feyenoord will be champion this year. I think that says it all. And not because they have the best selection, but because the whole picture is right.”

A fifth season in a row without a national title is imminent for PSV. What’s missing?

“If you simply analyze, our problem is only in away games. At home we are the strongest team in the Eredivisie. So you look at: how can we prepare better? Is there still physical gain to be made? In nutrition? In terms of composition of the selection?”

On Sunday, at the cup final in De Kuip, he will discuss, among other things, the safety of fans – where in the past he only shook hands with the mayor. “Now I am talking to him about other things. The role is different. That also suits my career and my age.” Earnest Stewart, the new technical director, now goes to the locker room after games. “I don’t do that anymore,” says Brands.

Never again?

“Yes, if you win something, maybe Sunday. You still need to know your place.”